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JsnkyER at 13:33, 13 May 2026

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JsnkyER at 12:31, 12 May 2026

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	# Not updating the game and (more often) the mod and its files. The correct procedure for updating the mod, if you want to have the greatest chance of avoiding trouble, is to simply '''delete everything of mine and redownload the [https://www.patreon.com/posts/dropbox-folder-28057911 Dropbox] folder.''' By all means, update only the relevant files by hand if you are confident in doing so, but this increases the chances of keeping old, conflicting files, which can result in issues such as trouble finding the [[SOS Business Card\|SOS Card]] ingame or seeing "..." instead of interaction text.		# Not updating the game and (more often) the mod and its files. The correct procedure for updating the mod, if you want to have the greatest chance of avoiding trouble, is to simply '''delete everything of mine and redownload the [https://www.patreon.com/posts/dropbox-folder-28057911 Dropbox] folder. (or the [https://wicked.cc/mods/kritical/dreams-of-surrender-1-08/ Wicked.cc] files for the public version.)''' By all means, update only the relevant files by hand if you are confident in doing so, but this increases the chances of keeping old, conflicting files, which can result in issues such as trouble finding the [[SOS Business Card\|SOS Card]] ingame or seeing "..." instead of interaction text.
	# Misunderstanding of how things work or incorrect assumptions. This is why I have decided to make this new wiki. If you cant find info about what you need to know- let me know.		# Misunderstanding of how things work or incorrect assumptions. This is why I have decided to make this new wiki. If you cant find info about what you need to know- let me know.

	== Actually An Issue? ==		== Actually An Issue? ==
	Sometimes, mods don't play nice with one another. I try to build [[DoS Dreams Of Surrender\|DoS]] to be as independent and non conflicting as possible, but sometimes a conflict is unavoidable. Before panicking that something actually broke, try taking out all other mods from your mod folder temporarily, except for [[DoS Dreams Of Surrender\|DoS]] and its components and Wicked Whims. Now load into your game and see if the issue is no longer present. If that is the case, it can not only be a mod conflict (less likely) but also an outdated other mod (much more likely). See, now you know what to do- '''the 50:50 method'''.		Sometimes, mods don't play nice with one another. I try to build [[DoS Dreams Of Surrender\|DoS]] to be as independent and non conflicting as possible, but sometimes a conflict is unavoidable. Before panicking that something actually broke, try taking out all other mods from your mod folder temporarily, except for [[DoS Dreams Of Surrender\|DoS]] and its components and Wicked Whims.

	~~Simply~~ keep the ~~working base~~ and ~~start adding batches~~ of mods back ~~in, loading~~ into the game and ~~seeing if~~ the ~~issue has returned~~. ~~Once~~ the issue ~~comes back, you know that~~ the ~~batch you just put~~ in ~~contains~~ the mod ~~at fault~~. ~~Repeat until you can pinpoint which package~~ is ~~messing things up~~. ~~Time consuming~~, ~~but also very effective~~.		Now load into your game and see if the issue is no longer present.

			If it persists, make a new test household and test out whatever feature seemed broken.

			Should the issue keep keeping on, you should report the issue to me. Otherwise-

			== Do the 50:50 method ==

			# Preparation: Move your entire "Mods" folder to your desktop, except for [[DoS Dreams Of Surrender\|DoS]] and its components and Wicked Whims.
			#* Always delete your game's cache files (like <code>localthumbcache.package</code> in The Sims 4) before testing, as old data can interfere with the results.
			# Verify the Base Game: Launch the game without any mods to ensure the issue isn't with the game itself. If it works fine, proceed.
			# The First Split: Take roughly 50% of your mods and move them back into the game's active Mods folder.
			# Test the Batch: Launch the game and check for the glitch/crash.
			#* If the issue is STILL there: The broken mod is in the half currently in your game.
			#* If the issue is GONE: The mod you added is "clean." The broken mod is in the half still on your desktop.
			# Repeat: Take the "bad" half, split it in half again (to 25%), and test. Continue this process—halving the problematic batch each time—until you are left with just one mod

	== Definitely An Issue! ==		== Definitely An Issue! ==
	The absolute best way to contact me about resolving it is my Discord, which all of my [https://www.patreon.com/c/KrNC Patrons] get access to. This way is preferable as we can easily share screenshots and quickly message back and forth. The second place are my '''Patreon direct messages''', if for whatever reason you cannot use Discord. Keep in mind that we wont be able to share screenshots and the messenger is shoddy in general. ~~The last place to contact me is leaving a comment on the~~ '''''~~<u>latest</u>~~'~~'''' Patreon post. And by last place I really mean last place~~, ~~don't do it unless~~ you ~~don't have any other alternative, as I don't troubleshoot in comments~~.		The absolute best way to contact me about resolving it is my Discord, which all of my [https://www.patreon.com/c/KrNC Patrons] get access to. This way is preferable as we can easily share screenshots and quickly message back and forth. The second place are my '''Patreon direct messages''', if for whatever reason you cannot use Discord. Keep in mind that we wont be able to share screenshots and the messenger is shoddy in general.

			Lastly, you can reach out here '''dreamsofsurrender-issues@pm.me''' - make sure to report according to the instructions below, otherwise you might not get a reply.

	Do not report issues on LoversLab. I visit it roughly once a month and I only treat it as what it is- an archive of my pre-[[DoS Dreams Of Surrender\|DoS]] mods.		Do not report issues on LoversLab. I visit it roughly once a month and I only treat it as what it is- an archive of my pre-[[DoS Dreams Of Surrender\|DoS]] mods.

JsnkyER at 16:04, 23 March 2025

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	== Definitely An Issue! ==		== Definitely An Issue! ==
	The absolute best way to contact me about resolving it is my Discord, which all of my [https://www.patreon.com/c/KrNC Patrons] get access to. This way is preferable as we can easily share screenshots and quickly message back and forth. The second place are my '''Patreon direct messages''', if for whatever reason you cannot use Discord. Keep in mind that we wont be able to share screenshots and the messenger is shoddy in general. The last place to contact me is leaving a comment on the '''''<u>latest</u>''''' Patreon post.		The absolute best way to contact me about resolving it is my Discord, which all of my [https://www.patreon.com/c/KrNC Patrons] get access to. This way is preferable as we can easily share screenshots and quickly message back and forth. The second place are my '''Patreon direct messages''', if for whatever reason you cannot use Discord. Keep in mind that we wont be able to share screenshots and the messenger is shoddy in general. The last place to contact me is leaving a comment on the '''''<u>latest</u>''''' Patreon post. And by last place I really mean last place, don't do it unless you don't have any other alternative, as I don't troubleshoot in comments.

	Do not report issues on LoversLab. I visit it roughly once a month and I only treat it as what it is- an archive of my pre-[[DoS Dreams Of Surrender\|DoS]] mods.		Do not report issues on LoversLab. I visit it roughly once a month and I only treat it as what it is- an archive of my pre-[[DoS Dreams Of Surrender\|DoS]] mods.

JsnkyER at 16:01, 23 March 2025

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	== Not An Issue ==		== Not An Issue ==
	In my experience of 5+ years modding and dealing with ~~trouble shooting~~, about 98% of issues are not actually issues at all! We´ve been tricked!		In my experience of 5+ years modding and dealing with troubleshooting, about 98% of issues are not actually issues at all! We´ve been tricked!

	These can generally be split into two categories-		These can generally be split into two categories-

JsnkyER at 18:51, 22 March 2025

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	In short, try to get into my shoes and see if you are sending me enough information to replicate the issue in my game.		In short, try to get into my shoes and see if you are sending me enough information to replicate the issue in my game.

	# Be exhaustive when it comes to detail		# Be exhaustive when it comes to detail.
	# Be specific when it comes to objects and interactions (and their names).		# Be specific when it comes to objects and interactions (and their names).
	# Be clear about your expectations of what should be happening.		# Be clear about your expectations of what should be happening.

JsnkyER at 18:49, 22 March 2025

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	Sometimes, mods don't play nice with one another. I try to build [[DoS Dreams Of Surrender\|DoS]] to be as independent and non conflicting as possible, but sometimes a conflict is unavoidable. Before panicking that something actually broke, try taking out all other mods from your mod folder temporarily, except for [[DoS Dreams Of Surrender\|DoS]] and its components and Wicked Whims. Now load into your game and see if the issue is no longer present. If that is the case, it can not only be a mod conflict (less likely) but also an outdated other mod (much more likely). See, now you know what to do- '''the 50:50 method'''.		Sometimes, mods don't play nice with one another. I try to build [[DoS Dreams Of Surrender\|DoS]] to be as independent and non conflicting as possible, but sometimes a conflict is unavoidable. Before panicking that something actually broke, try taking out all other mods from your mod folder temporarily, except for [[DoS Dreams Of Surrender\|DoS]] and its components and Wicked Whims. Now load into your game and see if the issue is no longer present. If that is the case, it can not only be a mod conflict (less likely) but also an outdated other mod (much more likely). See, now you know what to do- '''the 50:50 method'''.

	Simply keep the working base and start adding batches of mods back in, loading into the game and seeing if the issue has returned. Once the issue comes back, you know that the batch you just put in contains the mod at fault. Repeat ~~after~~ you can pinpoint which package is messing things up. Time consuming, but also very effective.		Simply keep the working base and start adding batches of mods back in, loading into the game and seeing if the issue has returned. Once the issue comes back, you know that the batch you just put in contains the mod at fault. Repeat until you can pinpoint which package is messing things up. Time consuming, but also very effective.

	== Definitely An Issue! ==		== Definitely An Issue! ==

JsnkyER at 18:39, 22 March 2025

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	# Not updating the game and (more often) the mod and its files. The correct procedure for updating the mod, if you want to have the greatest chance of avoiding trouble, is to simply '''delete everything of mine and redownload the [https://www.patreon.com/posts/dropbox-folder-28057911 Dropbox] folder.''' By all means, update only the relevant files by hand if you are confident in doing so, but this increases the chances of keeping old, conflicting files, which can result in issues such as trouble finding the [[SOS Business Card\|SOS Card]] ingame or seeing "..." instead of interaction text.		# Not updating the game and (more often) the mod and its files. The correct procedure for updating the mod, if you want to have the greatest chance of avoiding trouble, is to simply '''delete everything of mine and redownload the [https://www.patreon.com/posts/dropbox-folder-28057911 Dropbox] folder.''' By all means, update only the relevant files by hand if you are confident in doing so, but this increases the chances of keeping old, conflicting files, which can result in issues such as trouble finding the [[SOS Business Card\|SOS Card]] ingame or seeing "..." instead of interaction text.
	# Misunderstanding of how things ~~works~~ or incorrect assumptions. This is why I have decided to make this new wiki. If you cant find info about what you need to know- let me know.		# Misunderstanding of how things work or incorrect assumptions. This is why I have decided to make this new wiki. If you cant find info about what you need to know- let me know.

	== Actually An Issue? ==		== Actually An Issue? ==

JsnkyER: Created page with "Training Accident Sometimes, things don't go according to plan. But every problem is an opportunity in disguise! So lets get it fixed! == Not An Issue == In my experience of 5+ years modding and dealing with trouble shooting, about 98% of issues are not actually issues at all! We´ve been tricked! These can generally be split into two categories- # Not updating the game and (more often) the mod and its files..."

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Created page with "alt=Training Accident|thumb|Training Accident Sometimes, things don't go according to plan. But every problem is an opportunity in disguise! So lets get it fixed! == Not An Issue == In my experience of 5+ years modding and dealing with trouble shooting, about 98% of issues are not actually issues at all! We´ve been tricked! These can generally be split into two categories- # Not updating the game and (more often) the mod and its files..."

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[[File:Spanking Exhaustion.png|alt=Training Accident|thumb|Training Accident]]
Sometimes, things don't go according to plan. But every problem is an opportunity in disguise! So lets get it fixed!

== Not An Issue ==
In my experience of 5+ years modding and dealing with trouble shooting, about 98% of issues are not actually issues at all! We´ve been tricked!

These can generally be split into two categories-

# Not updating the game and (more often) the mod and its files. The correct procedure for updating the mod, if you want to have the greatest chance of avoiding trouble, is to simply '''delete everything of mine and redownload the [https://www.patreon.com/posts/dropbox-folder-28057911 Dropbox] folder.''' By all means, update only the relevant files by hand if you are confident in doing so, but this increases the chances of keeping old, conflicting files, which can result in issues such as trouble finding the [[SOS Business Card|SOS Card]] ingame or seeing "..." instead of interaction text.
# Misunderstanding of how things works or incorrect assumptions. This is why I have decided to make this new wiki. If you cant find info about what you need to know- let me know.

== Actually An Issue? ==
Sometimes, mods don't play nice with one another. I try to build [[DoS Dreams Of Surrender|DoS]] to be as independent and non conflicting as possible, but sometimes a conflict is unavoidable. Before panicking that something actually broke, try taking out all other mods from your mod folder temporarily, except for [[DoS Dreams Of Surrender|DoS]] and its components and Wicked Whims. Now load into your game and see if the issue is no longer present. If that is the case, it can not only be a mod conflict (less likely) but also an outdated other mod (much more likely). See, now you know what to do- '''the 50:50 method'''.

Simply keep the working base and start adding batches of mods back in, loading into the game and seeing if the issue has returned. Once the issue comes back, you know that the batch you just put in contains the mod at fault. Repeat after you can pinpoint which package is messing things up. Time consuming, but also very effective.

== Definitely An Issue! ==
The absolute best way to contact me about resolving it is my Discord, which all of my [https://www.patreon.com/c/KrNC Patrons] get access to. This way is preferable as we can easily share screenshots and quickly message back and forth. The second place are my '''Patreon direct messages''', if for whatever reason you cannot use Discord. Keep in mind that we wont be able to share screenshots and the messenger is shoddy in general. The last place to contact me is leaving a comment on the '''''<u>latest</u>''''' Patreon post.

Do not report issues on LoversLab. I visit it roughly once a month and I only treat it as what it is- an archive of my pre-[[DoS Dreams Of Surrender|DoS]] mods.

== How To Actually Report An Issue ==
In short, try to get into my shoes and see if you are sending me enough information to replicate the issue in my game.

# Be exhaustive when it comes to detail
# Be specific when it comes to objects and interactions (and their names).
# Be clear about your expectations of what should be happening.
# Describe what is actually happening.
# Report both your game version and your DoS version.
# If you have any Last Exception logs or Better Exceptions reports, send them to me.

And with that, I will do my utmost to help you. But lets hope
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